Posts by Alligator Wisdom

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What kind of work would you like to do?

by averyniceguy in

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what kind of work would you like to do?

just do not consider how much they pay.

Alligator Wisdom

Archaeology.

It has always intrigued me. Learning from the past can be a great benefit for the future.

Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously by WTS standards)

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For those who were raised in "the truth"

by Hangin_on in

how many of you always felt like you would be killed at armageddon no matter what you did... it was never enough and your parents put a guilt trip on you?

The real reason why I got baptized was to get the 'mark' as to survive Armageddon. Basically, it was a threat imposed on me. Once baptized, I always had to do more more more so as not to have the 'mark' invalidated. Another threat. Living in fear and guilt was supposed to keep me humble.

Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously by WTS standards)

edited to add a little personal history.

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What do you think is behind the watchtower change in 2008 ?

by 5go in

i think it's an atempt to catch faders or atleast make active dubs feel special.

it also could be a cost cutting measure to though.

getting rid of the km's and even up awakes and watchtowers would save some trees.

Alligator Wisdom

The Awake! placement numbers are up, with the 2006 change. The Watchtower placement numbers are sure to be up too, with the 2008 change.

Yes Fred, it's all about the "placements".

How many did you place brother?

Hey sister, were you able to place anything?

That man was nice, I placed a set of magazines.

Was anyone at home? Yes, I placed the latest articles.

Ah yes, the thrill of placing magazines. I believe preachers should use their Bibles along with the faith and testimony they have which is induced by Holy Spirit. Not just some printed suggested presentation on the back of the Our Kingdom Ministry. The magazines can be used for side reading perhaps. BUT NOT the focus in the joys of the public ministry.

Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously by WTS standards)

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What do you think is behind the watchtower change in 2008 ?

by 5go in

i think it's an atempt to catch faders or atleast make active dubs feel special.

it also could be a cost cutting measure to though.

getting rid of the km's and even up awakes and watchtowers would save some trees.

Alligator Wisdom

AK-Jeff said : Perhaps - just perhaps - they are planning on charging for the In House Watchtower - the study version - a fixed price?

Very interesting thought!

I think that it very well can be a possibility. Could this be in line with, from what I recall, that one poster/topic who mentioned a few months back that the GB may implement a procedure that the R&F might find hard to swallow? Thus all the currrent articles pushing the allegience to the FDS (aka GB).

Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously by WTS standards)

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JWD ratio

by Alligator Wisdom in

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my guess:.

pro jw : 3%.

polemic : 87%.

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it's good to have them so that debates can be carried out across all issues and lurkers can judge who has the right.

I agree. Too bad that many of them (Pro-JWs) don't stick around long enough. Fear of man?

Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously by WTS standards)

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Do you like being a

by BiancaAustralia in

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im a elders daughter right so i was wondering if you the daughter like being an elders daughter?.

do you think it is a curse being a elders daughter?.

do you think being a elders daughter you get treated differentley?.

Alligator Wisdom

I have never been a child of an elder.

From my observation, being one seems to mean that you would (in their eyes) have to uphold your father's credentials. It's not about you, but about him, especially if you are in the same congregation or still living with your parents. If you were living elsewhere, then the pressure isn't so bad.

However, it goes to say that any hard-core JW would brag about their parent's position/title/status no matter where they are, dead or alive.

Too bad about the social pressure and stress that you are currently enduring. Be wise and think about your future, as many posters related.

Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously by WTS standards)

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JWD ratio

by Alligator Wisdom in

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my guess:.

pro jw : 3%.

polemic : 87%.

Alligator Wisdom

What do you think?

My guess:

Pro JW : 3%

Semi-Apologist : 10%

Polemic : 87%

Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously by WTS standards)

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Did you really want to have "Privileges"

by JH in

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i don't know about others here, but i couldn't care less about privileges.. i had a couple of privileges, but i really didn't want to get too deep in the org and get too many privileges.

i didn't want to get tied down with that, and have to leave 30 minutes later every meeting, or have to spend an extra hour or two preparing for something.. .

all that counted for me as a dub was "paradise" and "eternal life" .

Alligator Wisdom

One time after a meeting when the CO was visiting our congregation, his wife told my wife : "Perhaps one day your husband will be up there with such privileges".

I undertand it clearly now. Privileges = Title and status.

Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously by WTS standards)

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Articles "a" "an" "the"

by Inquisitor in

can anyone tell me whether the usage of such articles can be found in the original hebrew or greek writing of the scriptures?.

in this week's book study, the society attempts to distinguish jesus "the first and the last" (rev 1:18) from jehovah "i am the first and i am the last" (isaiah 44:6).

the basis for such a distinction, according to the society is that isaiah quote lacks definite articles before the words "first" and "last".

Alligator Wisdom

Thanks all for your research and input.

Now all I have to do is decipher it into the type of English that I understand.

Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously by WTS standards) of the simple mind class.

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Articles "a" "an" "the"

by Inquisitor in

can anyone tell me whether the usage of such articles can be found in the original hebrew or greek writing of the scriptures?.

in this week's book study, the society attempts to distinguish jesus "the first and the last" (rev 1:18) from jehovah "i am the first and i am the last" (isaiah 44:6).

the basis for such a distinction, according to the society is that isaiah quote lacks definite articles before the words "first" and "last".

Alligator Wisdom

Can anyone tell me whether the usage of such articles can be found in the original Hebrew or Greek writing of the Scriptures?

Yes, I would like to know the scholarly answer to this one too. At the book study this week, the answer was read verbatim from the footnote:

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*In the original Hebrew at Isaiah 44:6, there is no definite article with the words "first" and "last," whereas in Jesus’ description of himself in the original Greek at Revelation 1:17, the definite article is found. So, grammatically, Revelation 1:17 indicates a title, whereas Isaiah 44:6 describes Jehovah’s Godship.

Once the answer was given, one sister raised her hand and commented that she still didn't grasp the meaning and wanted a clearer explanation of this. (She is a first generation JW, as she left the Baptist faith as an adult). The book study conductor, who supposedly is qualified to teach, didn't expound on this at all. He just said that the footnote was a wonderful way to describe and reveal the true meaning of this scripture.

HUH?

Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously by WTS standards)